I write a perfectly reasonable criticism about Owen Smith, a former candidate for the leadership of the UK labour party and get told off for being sexist.
Um. I was pointing out that Smith was sexist (for a number of arsey comments) AND homophobic for his snipey digs at his lesbian opponent Angela Eagle.
Which makes me sexist? How?
But here we have it, thank you Mr Person – Jamie G – without a blog of any meaning:
Ironically I find your post and comment replies no less sexist. Sexism can be directed both against men and women. That you despise men is very much evident in the first line of your post. A sexist woman protesting against sexism is like a porn movie actress trying to become a feminist. Bye.
This is the same level of ignorance displayed by BrainlessCranium. I mean Godlesscranium. Whatever.
The comments by both are full of non sequiturs and display an appalling level of ignorance about women’s rights and feminism.
Brainless, at some point, said western feminists didn’t write about FGM. Really Brainless? Try this. From four years ago.
Personally I would suggest both you and Jamie G pull your collective fingers out and learn a little. Although I doubt that will happen in a million years.
Meanwhile thanks to Ark, Arb, Pink and Tildeb for their staunch defence of feminism. Because the menz are so important. Ruth spent a hell of a long time trying to explain and? Where does that get the women? Her points and links were ignored/dismissed.
It is a sad fact of life that women need men to endorse the credibility of feminism. Or anything really.
Not that anyone can reason with idiots.
roughseasinthemed
Yes, in fact we DO love the menz. Our partners, our friends, (my closest buddy-I’ve-had-since-I-was-five, for instance), our sons/brothers, etc. and those you mentioned. Yes, we DO.
Thanks, roughseas, for highlighting the strongest indication of the patriarchy there is – the fact that men must handle the discussion. A fact lost on those who refuse to acknowledge same.
Perhaps that’s the fly in some men’s self-righteous ointment? The men are joining the team and it was far easier when it was only women they had to contend with? Dunno. ..
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It’s a common misnomer that feminists Do. Not. Like. Men.
How ignorant is that!
My Partner is a very supportive ally, we agree on pretty much everything. But he is really good on the F thing.
So, he does call out men. Not easy to do. Harder in real life than on the tinties.
What is interesting is when people on the internet are not easily identified acc to sex. Totally diff reaction whether they are thought to be women or men. Love it. And yes, I have tried it.
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Been there, too. 🙂
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Perceptions are amazing. How many times has Arb been thought to be a radfem woman?
A good one, I have to say. But still …
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@RSitM
I must come across as uppity, and in need of a good mansplination. 🙂
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Indeed. All uppity women need a good mansplination or something or other from The Menz.
Trouble with uppity is, uppity doesn’t take kindly to mansplaining. I wouldn’t want to try mansplaining to Carmen, for example. Come to think of it, most of the internet women I know are uppity. Must be coincidence.
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It’s a common misnomer that feminists Do. Not. Like. Men.
Indeed. I am married to one and love him dearly. I also don’t demonize men in general. One doesn’t have to think that men are the devil to realize that patriarchy exists.
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I find it irritating to say the last. People just latch onto any form of negativity they can think of whether it is accurate or not. Criticising a class-based system is not criticising individuals. Duh.
Some of the idiots who slag off feminists think everyone is a lesbian with hairy legs and wearing hippy clothes or military clothes and steel toecap boots. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but it’s an incorrect stereotype.
Most of my friends are men, probably because I’m not very girly.
But the disinformation that feminists hate men is crass. Utterly crass. I lose patience as soon as I read such idiocy.
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I very nearly outed Arb as a man when GC and another kept referring to “her”. But then I thought, nah. They assumed because Arb was defending feminism, radfem at that, that he must be a she. I’m fairly certain they think Tildeb is a woman as well.
Nothing said, nicely or harshly will change the minds of some. Only laws are systemic, not society. Families nor religions come into play. Only what is legal.
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I did think it was mildly funny. Of course, no man in his right mind would speak out for feminism ergo, Arb, and maybe tildeb MUST be a woman/women. I suspect GC knows tildeb isn’t although don’t know. Arb’s comments sound more like an educated radfem with years of experience who knows all the answers and has everything at her fingertips. Tildeb has a different approach so doesn’t sound as radfemmy.
I think open minds may be changed. But agree, some are so closed it’s not worth it. A bit like anti-smoking campaigns. You can only achieve so much.
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@Ruth
As per the discussions over at VW’s I’m officially ‘out’ persay. So no worries about that. 🙂 I just hope that my arguments can stand up to scrutiny, and that shouldn’t be contingent on which configuration of bits I happen to possess.
The narrow limitations put in place by some sorts of thinking seem to be more of a defensive measure, rather that one that allows for more insight into an issue. The skeptical individual in question may need to revise his thinking.
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I see BC took a quiz that proclaimed him to be a feminist. Yeah. Moon and green cheese come to mind.
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@RSitM
I’m not sure what his deal is atm. He’s being quite polite but asking/making controversial statements. Is it a fact-finding venture, or evidence gathering for yet another burn the TERF witch-hunt adventure?
Given that he doesn’t believe patriarchy exists, but is still entertaining thoughts about feminism seems to be a bit out of sorts.
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Beyond me. The cynic in me is uppermost. I think it’s the liberal/humanist, women are not oppressed, def not in the western world (yeah, right), and the poor menz has rights too. And are oppressed.
Right now, surely the answer to arguing against feminism in the west consists of one word. A potential leader of the western world gloats about sexual assault? Ugh.
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@RSitM
Witchhunt it is. Although now with a side of biological justification for being trans, coupled with ignorance of what a social construct is.
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I admire your patience. It’s most odd how some men *think* they are feminist allies (except they would call themselves feminists not allies) and insist *they* should be the ones to define feminism. Why is ‘gender is a social construct’ (and a foundation stone of patriarchy) so difficult to understand? And that being a woman consists of wearing make-up, pretty dresses, high heels and wearing long luscious hair?
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