So don’t say I didn’t. All you religious fruitcakes, who think making abortion difficult to get/illegal etc, are responsible for the situation in Tennessee where a woman stuck a coathanger up herself in the bath to try and carry out a home abortion.
She’s now been arrested on the grounds of attempted murder.
And, hospital staff delivered a baby boy, weighing 1.5 pounds. But not a healthy baby boy.
This is what happens when religious fuckwits and republican arseholes tell women what to do with their bodies.
I so wish men got pregnant. I’m sure the world would be very different.
Here is a blogpost that pretty much sums up the situation. Saves me writing any more.
roughseasinthemed
Clouds moving in 
Unbelievable, but regretfully believable given the state.
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I think it is both ridiculous and bizarre. This happened all the time pre legalisation of abortion, and now we are just going full circle. Too depressing.
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I have said it elsewhere that if men got pregnant, the legislation on reproductive health would have been dealt with eons ago.
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Ha! ie, there would be no legislation, because men’s bodies would be their own, and not for anyone else to interfere with. Tampons and sanitary towels would probably be free too.
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That is how I see it.
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When are you standing for election? 🙂
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I suspect I would lose. I don’t represent popular ideas
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Which is why we have poor politicians.
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How have I not heard about this?!? Utterly disgusting! Everything about the “protection of the unborn” smacks of the potential of a feotus being of more value than the life of the woman who is carrying it.
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Well, yes, isn’t that the case? Eg, those who want to force women to give birth to babies conceived through rape, including incestual rape.
Over and above bodily autonomy, what we now see are two very damaged individuals, one with a potential criminal record facing possible gaol sentence, and the other with a lifetime of health problems and disabilities. That’s a real achievement isn’t it? Great idea to limit access to abortion – see what we can do?
And, let’s hope all those in favour have worked out this whole fiasco is now costing the taxpayer for 1) criminal (in)justice and 2) health care. As well as the baby, I can’t imagine the trauma the woman is going through, physically, emotionally, mentally.
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Well, yes, but the religious-right will only blame the woman, saying she chose this.
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Indeed. I can imagine this being a very good reason, from their perspective to tighten the law even moreso. Ban knitting needles, coathangers, gin, and hot baths.
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As the self-appointed leader of the ‘free’ world, the US as represented by many state legislatures and legislators that promote hypocritical barbarism in the name of respecting the sanctity of life, given the handy if not dishonest moniker of ‘pro’ life, think they demonstrate this sanctity by charging this fully developed human with ‘attempted ‘murder’ of a fetus… a fetus that has no legal standing as a citizen. The woman does. Indisputably does. Such hypocrisy boggles the rational mind and hurts the heart of those of us who care about real people in real life.
On the one hand, the NRA would be all for getting a deadly firearm into the undeveloped hands of the fetus – for a well-armed militia, of course – and having tens of thousands of mothers die as a result while, on the other, claiming fetuses (and lack of accessible abortion services) don’t kill mothers; mothers kill mothers. And American lunacy continues to set a breathtaking leadership pace for the rest of us to follow, I suppose.
For those who support this barbarism and legal abuse against other citizens, the terms ‘religious fruitcakes’ and ‘fuckwads’ and ‘republican arseholes’ doesn’t go nearly far enough to capture the level of stupidity, sanctimony, and hypocrisy exercised daily against real women in real life to real pernicious effects. That’s not leadership; that’s despotic brutality.
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What do I say, apart from: yes.
I do find American lunacy worrying. I loathe the way Britain seems to want to imitate its worst aspects (question: are there any good ones?)
Ruth made a good point along the same lines anout devaluing the life of a woman in preference to a foetus. This is seriously crazy indoctrination. It is religious and it is grossly sexist. And it needs to be called out Every. Single. Time.
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Hey, I am the one who wrote the blog post you linked to. I wanted to say thanks for the link and I am happy to see that people are speaking up about this.
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Thanks for coming by. I enjoy reading your blog, by which I mean the work you and your colleagues do to help women. It’s not an easy decision for women to take and to receive harassment before the procedure outside the clinics is just sick and sadistic. I have written about abortion before, and probably will again, but the story you highlighted seemed worth sharing as it flies in the face of everything religious right-wing fundies say. Restricting/banning abortion will not stop it. Women have been defying the law for years to get abortions and will continue to do so. As this sad story proves. And apart from sll that, women have the right – or should have – to choose what to do with their bodies. They aren’t something out of Atwood’s ‘Handmaid’.
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Gads. This was once the only alternative.
And as you say if men got pregnant…
(Nice you did get into the holiday spirit…calling them religious fruitcakes rather than what they should be called)
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The way things are going over your way it will be back to that. And throwing yourself down the stairs. That’s safer. Easier to say you tripped on something, a dog toy maybe? Save getting accused of attempted murder, or worse, actual murder if you are successful.
Nutty as a fruitcake is an odd saying. One has to assume the fruitcake has nuts in, but not all do!
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The wacky wide whip-lash swings of legality/mindset is maddening. What ever happened to moderation and you aren’t required – it’s only an option? Snort.
Fruitcakes. Oh, the food-ish ones. Some versions have meat, too. THe best holiday cakes here are the Pecan Cakes from a very small family owned German bakery in a tiny town in East TX. (Not Corsicana – although that’s quite a company and now they have a big storefront halfway between Dallas and Houston where you can stop for cookies, cakes and the deformed rejects). Eileneberger’s gets my vote. Pecans. It was sold to a major Co for a bit, but the family was angry at the changes/breach of contract promises and got it back. Yummy stop – they even do requests like organic and bake for diabetics.Real family place https://www.eilenbergerbakery.com/about-us
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Whatever happened to just getting along?
Checked out Eilen’s but I’m not a cake person. Found a couple of OK sandwiches.
Used to use a great place back in the UK, organic, choice of breads and sandwich fillings, my lunchtime colleagues were very happy.
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Years and years ago, they only had pecan cakes and pies, then the younger kids decided they needed to offer more in the “Tea Room” for the tourists (Tourists come for the Victorian architecture/home shows, fall and spring fairs, Dogwood Festival (and wildflowers), old fashion Christmas parade and craft shows and the narrow gauge train that rides that run to Rusk and back.(They do holiday themed rides for kids/families, and murder mystery dinners and other events on the train) – so came the tidbits, teas, coffees and now sandwiches. We were happy with the loaded pecan cakes….and not so many tourists (Sigh. good for the small town’s economy though)
Nothing better than a local healthy lunch place.
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This makes my stomach turn and at times like this ashamed to call myself American. There are SO MANY barbaric ideologies and “laws” in this country, especially in the southern states, including mine.
Fighting against and opposing this sort of utter lunacy — the religious Fundy-Evangy Right & Conservatives inline with that group — must be full-on comprehensive on ALL fronts in order to extinguish, or at least significantly diminish their influence in this/my country. It is why, it is truly my social obligation, I fight the Theology and their Apologetics and the “source”… the roots/origins of their very faith; i.e. Antiquity and context their Canonical “Holy inspired” bible. Their foundation. Their jugular.
I commend KYBorn, you Roughseas, and all other Pro-choice advocates in everything you and they do toward quality life for ALL, not just some. Thank you both for sharing this info. Like Ruth I hadn’t heard about it either.
Perhaps like male sea horses, we men will evolve to carry ovaries and eggs, and we’d only get pregnant from/thru the ass-hole! That certainly WOULD be equality, eh!? 😈 😉
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I think the problem is, that these backward discriminatory controlling views seem to be prevailing in certain areas and progress that had been made is being reversed.
I have no idea, what, if anything, sinks into the minds of right-wing fundies. I doubt anything does. One would need to ask all the deconverts what straw breaks the back. I know reading Sirius’s blog, that he says he would just have parrotted out the party line in the face of any challenges to beliefs/doctine/views. I suspect, and you will know better than I do, that believers are impervious to any disagreement, having already been primed as to the possible arguments and the essential refutations.
Thanks. KYBorn is the one who deserves the commendation for their work as an escort for women having abortions. I find it despicable that there are such cruel protestors harassing women at such an emotional time. Just deplorable.
That’s an interesting one. I’d rather like to see that. Not in my lifetime I suspect. However it brought a smile. The thought of anti-abortionist men giving birth through their arsehole is, well, mind-boggling. Bet there would be an abortion clinic in every town. My sister-in-law described giving birth as like shitting watermelons.
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Bwahahaha!!! A perfectly (painful) correct description! 😛
Not to get too far off topic here, but…
Neurologists, psychologists, and related fields of scientific study are increasingly showing that any human brain is absolutely malleable to whatever environment it finds itself beginning at birth up until at least 6-10 years of age, but in so many cases — like people in Kentucky, Texas, Alabama, etc, etc, where “broad-based education” is essentially non-existent, stopping after 10th, 11th, or 12th grade — the brain is STILL quite malleable, though more hardened, and prone to deception, memory-errors, superstition, and ambiguity throughout the prime years or beyond, UNLESS it has been regularly exposed to a broad wide-range of diverse life-systems and culture. Sadly, if it is constantly exposed to repressive, spiteful, divisive stimuli or depraved of those opposites (on many levels)… then our human brains are absolutely capable of false realities, likely functional psychosis! 😮
“Impervious to any disagreement?” Indeed. After the first several post-natal months… we are products or mirrors of our family, guardians, community, and to an extent our state until or unless we decide to use our intellectual gifts of critical-thinking and altruism toward all. ❤
And I'll stop there. 😉
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Well, SiL managed four. The first two, and then another two some 15 or so years later. So she developed some sort of taste, or at least tolerance for it. My work coleagues all said they couldnt imagine how bad it was. And went on to repeat the experience.
Perfectly valid and relevant comment. It took me many years to reject my parental indoctrination, believing their words to be, well, gospel. 😉 But, poco a poco, I threw off pretty much everything, and grew up. I was lucky not to have suffered religious indoctrination. I did suffer sexist indictrination (of sorts), but that one didn’t sink in 😉
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Mmm, I wish a lot more people were as lucky as you were Clouds. I find the human condition of seeking approval and inclusion — heavily taught and absorbed in our youth — is a deep biological, neurological, psychological drive. If it is not tempered to avoid a habitual tiny telescope in place of the perpetual panoramic view (planetarium?) and love for Earth and simply a sanctity of HUMAN life (and non-human?)… then one easily falls into the false-feeling of present and future security; i.e. wasting present energy and life for a imagined blissful state (heaven) in an completely unpredictable future! If that doesn’t define insanity or functional psychosis, then I guess I’m completely off my rocker. 😛
Regarding your good fortune Clouds, I’m very happy to count you as firmly among real humanity. ❤
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I’m not denying the desire for approval and inclusion, but one asks why? and from who? No one likes being rejected, but, it happens, and so, we move on. I suspect I followed the typical path of my peer group, private school education, university, establish career etc. What was important in childhood and youth was focusing on exams to give us a basis for further education and a professional future.
And, there are rebels, as you have pointed out on your post, yeah I haven’t commented. Eccentrics or non-conformists tend to reject inclusion for reasons that they feel are more important. Somewhat like leaders and followers.
Imagined blissful state? Well, the nearest death sounds like that to me, is endless blissful sleep. And that’s about the most positive way of looking at it I can think of. So, best to live our very tiny short lives to the utmost we can manage. And to bring it slightly back, that includes being in control of ourselves, our lives – and – our bodies.
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Very well said Clouds. Everyone has the unalienable right to control their own bodies. Period.
Your point about “Eccentrics or non-conformists tend to reject inclusion for reasons that they feel are more important” is quite valid. That is the other side of the pendulum-swing (too drastic a swing?) and not always the healthiest or the most altruistic. I’d imagine that improved understanding of self, inexplicably within the sphere of others and Nature, would be an excellent perspective and classroom. In my personal opinion, it is wiser to live and learn in probabilities rather than elusive (mythical?) certainties; much more adaptable with better longevity. 😉
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Except in Tennessee? 😦
We can go too far, as you say on your pendulum.
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Yes! Who is the quote by?
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Rousseau. Discourse on the origin of inequality. One of my university set pieces. I liked that particular quote.
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Mmm, yes. I like it very much as well. 🙂
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Depends how we each interpret it …
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True. “Probabilities.” 😉
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Of course, the question is, are you a savage living within yourself, or a civilised man …?
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Not sure that should be an “A or B” question; an either/or. Oversimplification is a double-edged sword. Why not an A, B, C, D, E, or F… which would lead to more sub-choices? 🙂
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Rousseau didn’t do sub-choices
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Ever?
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Not by request just for you. No.
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PS go approve my comment, TYVM
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LOL…I did Darling. If a comment has multiple links inside it, my setting are I must “approve” it first; examine it as spam or legit. Apologies that you couldn’t have known that prior to your comment. 🙂 ❤
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Two is not multiple. Get rid of your paranoia! Even I let through more than two links 😀
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LOL. Your “suggestion” is noted.
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😛
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Even in Australia, where safe abortions are available, the laws are murky http://www.smh.com.au/comment/nsws-abortion-laws-are-outdated-antiwomen-and-dangerous-20150924-gju3x0.html and at least in one Australian state there’s been micro-progress in protecting people’s rights. But you’re right in your opinion and vehemence. None of it makes any sense at all.
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That was a stunning – and shocking – read. Really surprised about that. Well, maybe not QLD, but NSW? Bottom line is most women who don’t want pregnancy, don’t want abortions. Fairly obvious. But an abortion can be the least worst alternative, especially for poor women. What is wrong with that?
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Yes! No non-pregnant is skipping into a clinic saying please give an abortion procedure anyway. Nobody wants unneeded surgery or meds unless they are mentally ill.
Having an abortion IS taking responsibility. Speaking of which, the baby’s last name is not Yocca so why are people talking about foster care if there is an available father he can take custody and provide medical care.
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Because you know, just like it takes two to conceive but it’s one person’s responsibility, there may be two parents, but the responsibility for caring, nurturing, upbringing falls on the woman. And people wonder why women have abortions?
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